Other
(9/16/00 11:06 PM PST) who ever posted fencecenter.net!!!! -
Thats cute yet somehow agravating!! though very clever.
candis duff candis@quixnet.net
(9/15/00 6:15 AM PST) Thanks
You know, it wasn't me who was bashing anyone in the first place. I just don't like being insulted out of the blue by someone I know (if he actually was at the tournament he says he was at, he's one of 12 people that I *thought* I knew) who won't leave a name.We (hopefully) return you to your regularly scheduled program...
So, how 'bout dem Yankees?
Christopher J Umbs cumbs@juno.com
(9/14/00 11:07 PM PST) I forgot Cowards as well sucks
well fuck i don't know if i should be insulted or not, let me think, considering that it was from some little pansy shit who didn't have the stones to leave a name you can just Go Fuck Yourself. Ohh and i did fence with electric over the summer against some of your pathetic "real" fencers, and considering I've been fencing for a little more than a year, I fucking swept the floor with them. As for Umbs I do respect you simply because you have fenced from every aspect that I know of.
eternal109
(9/14/00 9:36 PM PST) ELECTRIC FENCING rules
Electric Fencing Rules, SCA or no SCA, electric fencing rules. All of you SCA'ers out there are just frothing to hook up. Electric Fencing Rules, just do it!
(9/14/00 8:30 PM PST) ode to sca -
sca sca,
why are you so gay,
in high school no dates
just D&D and masterbate
so sad your bad luck
all grown but fucked up
your friends are elves and orcs
you are all such stupid dorks
you have great body mass
i hope umbs will kick your ass
(9/14/00 8:22 PM PST) eternal 109 sucks
why don't you go have an eternal 69 with dragonalice
(9/14/00 8:10 PM PST) umbs rules rules
chris, please kick these whiny asses hard nest time they try to "fence" you. SCA is a cool game if you are into all that middle ages shit, but for them to think they can fence a real fencer, well you tell me who is arrogant!
(9/14/00 6:55 PM PST) petty elitist fencers sucks
I can believe how much fucking hatred some of you people have bound up inside you, I hope you give yourselves aneurisms and that you blow out your already fucked up knees and die. Let the Scadians do what the will, let cf/hf and the rest of the damn abbreviations i can't remember go their own fucking way, and for all you strip fencers you can sit on your damn electrical weapons. I am glad i didn't/don't have to fence with any of you petty elist fucks.
eternal109
(9/14/00 12:38 PM PST) ps
A buckler is a small shield. Hitting with it is completely forbidden in SCA, but I understand some HF groups allow it, which is thier choice and I'm not passing judgement, but that's a little to real for me.
Valaric
(9/14/00 12:36 PM PST) Confusion sucks
Please, please don't let one idiot's postings give you the impression that he is typical of SCA fencers. For the most part, we are fairly nice quiet people who are in no way deluded fantasy freaks. Most of us do USFA as well, though at a low level. I hope the coward's local officials find out who he is and give him a good talking to.
Valaric
(9/14/00 12:24 PM PST) ps
Buckler smashing?
(9/14/00 12:23 PM PST) Well, Duh!
The SCAsshole said "You post on SCA mailing lists as our friend and then attack us here."Of course he does. He posts everywhere. He obviously can't help it. But if can beat you and you're right about him trying to hurt people, maybe getting him mad is a bad idea?
And we're all arrogant. We're fencers.
(9/14/00 12:10 PM PST) Arrogance rules
I to any who can keep that attitude and still win, I say well done and keep up the good work.Never let them see you sweat
Arrogant Pig
(9/14/00 12:01 PM PST) RE: Finally showed your trues colors -
Ok, now you are saying that nobody in the SCA can complain to the kingdom marshal of fence (dylan I believe)? That is a load of crap and you know it. If there were more than the occasional hard hit from Chris Umbs he would have heard about it very quickly rather than hearing it from someone who doesn't wish to make his name known for whatever reason. I mean come on, he isn't that politically connected and for goodness sakes he hardly ever goes to SCA events anymore. You saw one hit on a cold day and you go flaming him, don't even try to say he has always hit hard. I have watched him for a very long time and yes, he hits harder than your averge scadian but I have seen don philip of the gloden stag virtually buckler punch someone and have a dagger blade bent almost 90 degress on his body from his opponent, so why don't you get on his case too? Or do you just have a bug up your ass about people who are arogant (yes, we all know chris is arrogant) and are better fencers than you?
(9/14/00 11:45 AM PST) political connections sucks
Oh look!! something else all the fencing groups have in commonHave a nice day
(9/14/00 11:37 AM PST) *sigh*
Fine, read into it what you will.I'm just glad you're going.
Christopher J Umbs cumbs@juno.com
(9/14/00 11:20 AM PST) Finally showed your true colors sucks
chris umbs said "Third, if you feel up to taking pot-shots at me, why not leave your name (or perhaps your make believe name)?"Well, now your contempt for us is starting to show. You post on SCA mailing lists as our friend and then attack us here. Its called talking out of both sides of your mouth and you cant have it both ways.
Valaric, unfortunately Armand/Umbs is too politically connected for any official channels to work, but don't worry. I'm done here and I got what I came for
(9/14/00 11:09 AM PST) To Uknwn SCAdian
Please handle this privately. Your public airing of this doesn't do anyone any good. Talk to your kingdom marshal if there is an actual problem. If not, kindly shut up.
Valaric
(9/14/00 11:07 AM PST) Leave me out of this
Sorry, I don't know who it is and if you read back you'll see that I told him to shut up awhile ago.
Valaric
(9/14/00 11:05 AM PST) Now THAT was damn funny
Unknown SCA freak, take notes.
(9/14/00 10:54 AM PST) hey wait
i want a make believe name. I think i'll be gond the destroyer and we can play magic the gathering and get all wigged out on mountain dew
(9/14/00 10:05 AM PST) yeah but.... -
it comes bundled with that damn browser. fight reality, use linux
(9/14/00 10:04 AM PST) I remember
I remember 1 - it had too many bugs so we upgraded to reality 2.0
(9/14/00 9:37 AM PST) OK that's enough
I can’t begin to tell you how sick of this I am. First, learn to spell. It will make your posts somewhat readable. Second, you were right. You should have stayed away. Third, if you feel up to taking pot-shots at me, why not leave your name (or perhaps your make believe name)? And don’t tell me that it is because I’d hurt you. I can’t even begin to say how silly that is. You aren’t making any points her and you are just clogging this place up with useless drivel. Finally, you aren’t even amusing (intentionally that is).Valaric, if you know who this idiot is, try to stop him. He’s just making all of you look stupid.
Christopher J Umbs cumbs@juno.com
(9/14/00 8:52 AM PST) renfairy sucks
thanks for stoppin' by, you all come back now, ya hear!?! remember reality1
(9/14/00 8:48 AM PST) Here we go again -
Round 2 <Ding>
(9/14/00 8:43 AM PST) You know sucks
I had promised myself that I wasnt going to come back here and now I remember why I made that promise. Valaric - go home. You aren't going to change anyones oppinons here. The sport fencers are off in a strange world of their own which has nothing to do with the use of a sword and it is an absolute waste of time trying to talk to umbs since he'll just overwhelm you with useless facts or try to hurt you. Remember the dream and leave these idiots to rot here
(9/13/00 11:52 PM PST) This site
This is such an amazing site. The depth of thought and remark are unreachably amazing! Fencing is such a fantastic sport, it brings out the best of Fencers in such a totally simplistic way. YOU ALL SUCK!
(9/13/00 12:56 PM PST) that's right brother rules
I want men like you by my side as we storm the arch mage's citadel with our elvin friends!!!!
the unseen
(9/13/00 12:37 PM PST) Oh fine
What if I'm a modern fencer who practices twice a week ,any more is just not possible for me, and is shaped like a pear? WHo gets to decide who fencers are? Are only A people fencers? No wonder people call this an elitist sport.
pear
(9/13/00 9:58 AM PST) One Fencing
I'd better go to the doctors. I just found myself agreeing with one of Chris Umbs's postings.It is insulting to have some SCA type who practices maybe once a week and is shaped like a pear try to tell you that they are a fencer
(9/12/00 1:32 PM PST) LOL
Yeah, there is a group of geeks that practice in my towns local park. The first time I saw them I just had to stop and stare. They were fighting in jeans and t-shirts with no masks. When I asked them about it they said they don't allow head shots which are my favorite shots in epee. But the capper was when in the middle of a group fight one of them suddenly threw a small bean bag at one of them and the guy who was hit fell down. When I was told that it was because he was hit by a spell I almost we myself.
Sarah
(9/12/00 6:45 AM PST) One Fencing sucks
Sorry, I can’t agree with the drive towards fencing ecumenicity. There is simply not ‘one fencing’ and to call dross gold simply to be PC about things is ridiculous. Nadi himself was incredibly critical of stage combat. He also received the first hit in his duel, had lousy form in it, and made sure to make a difference between the tactics of fencing and dueling. To my mind there are only three kinds of fencing, martial, stage and sport. If we take the ‘one fencing’ maxim to it’s illogical conclusion then we would have to say that any D&D addict with a boffer weapon who happened to be his group’s ‘King’ or ‘Swordmaster’ was just as much a fencer as a SF/CF/HF champion or maestro and that’s just WAY too insulting to be tolerated considering the amount of time and work a real fencer needs to develop his skills.
Christopher J Umbs cumbs@juno.com
(9/12/00 5:49 AM PST) Fencing is Fencing
Wasn't it Nadi who said there was only one fencing and that a good fencer should be able to pick up a broom stick and use it?
(9/12/00 5:38 AM PST) SCA bashing sucks
I agree with the last post. What does it matter? I'm glad to see the SF/CF/HF people singing kumbya, but please stop treating us like a retarted stepchild. A lot of the top HF people did SCA before they suddenly became snobs and a lot of the top SCA people have a good amount of SF background. Does this mean that the SCA should now start bashing the foam and PVC group? We all want different things out of it.
Valaric
(9/11/00 10:21 PM PST) FENCING IS FENCING
Whether electric, classical, medieval, theatrical, foil, sabre, epee, metal, wood, foam, etc. Fencing is Fencing. Whether you belong to the USFA, or any organization that honors Fencing, what does it matter. Fencing is Fencing! You pick up your weapon, you wield it in specific ways, who is to say what is proper or not. Fencing is Fencing, and Fencing rules!
This Fencing Suck Site Sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(9/11/00 10:19 AM PST) I'm not really interested
In rehashing this either but to answer one of the questions, the USFCA has in fact named M. Crown (the author of said article) as chair of their classical program and there is talk of a CF tournament on the USFCA page. Personally, I don’t think it’s a good idea. They are separate and should remain so. I can’t picture a governing body that could serve both groups (let alone HF) equally well.
Christopher J Umbs cumbs@juno.com
(9/11/00 9:36 AM PST) This is so stupid sucks
Why are we talking about this garbage. Only one style will get you Olympic gold. What can you do as a CF/HF besides play make-believe. I know what I do isn't martial and you know what. I don't care. It's a sport, get over it.
(9/11/00 9:32 AM PST) Yeah -
That was my thought as well. My only question is what is best for fencing as a whole? Is it better to have different kinds of fencing to attract more people or does it take away from what we consider 'official fencing'? I mean it's not like the USFA is getting any dues from the classical folks and these are people who might join up if there were no such thing as classical. Shouldn't we try to add these other kinds of fencing on to the USFA instead of having all these competing groups?
(9/11/00 9:20 AM PST) Maybe yes Maybe no
Ok. Just finished reading that article and like you said some yes and some no. At any rate, I think most of us with a functional brain have learned that there is room enough for all kinds of fencing with the possible exception of SCA fencing (Note: I have actually never seen SCA fencing, but I have modern style friends who have and even the classical and historical people don't take them seriously).I happen to like the athletic challenge of modern fencing and I think I would personally find it boring to confine myself only to moves that would work with a real blade. I would imagine it would involve a lot of facing off with the opponent and little motion. On the other hand, I was a 3 Musketeers fan when young and that is what made me get into fencing to begin with so I do think of fencing as more than a sport. I dunno just rambling I guess
Martel
(9/11/00 7:39 AM PST) Food for thought
http://www.classicalfencing.com/articles/buzzhurst.shtmlNot quite sure what to make of this, and I don't agree with all of it but there are some valid points
(9/10/00 6:04 AM PST) K. Moser sucks
K. MOSER SUCKS. You still don't know a parry 4 !!!
(9/6/00 9:31 AM PST) usfa rules
emailed requesting a letter stating i was a member since i didnt get my card yet and the nac deadline is sept 15. letter was faxed within two hours of my email. quit your bitching
(9/6/00 8:53 AM PST) Upset?
Apparently some parent or fencer can't handle calling the USFA. The Fencing Association responds to things that are necessary. Perhaps you were calling about some of your mindless thoughts that didn't require a response. Everyone knows that if a real issue needs to be delt with, the USFA does respond. Heck, if that were not true then no one would have made the Olympic Team. Do you think they did it all by themsleves. It took countless hours of prep by the USFA to make sure all were sufficiently served so all could run smoothly, so don't call the USFA, e-mail them, fax them, and SHUT UP.
(9/5/00 10:41 PM PST) Michael and the USFA
Michael does an excellent job at the USFA. You don't know all of the facts. Maybe the person you say was fired actually wanted to do something else with the rest of their lives. You can't blame Michael of the USFA for not answering the phone. We all know, the USFA has never answered the phone and are working on a different time warp, you know like Star Trek, and the whole sword thing. If you don't like the job Michael is doing, then you should do it yourself.
(9/4/00 8:17 PM PST) Michael at the USFA office in Colorado Springs sucks
why???????? He is an idiot....He wants nothing more that a USOC job, he couldn't care less about fencing. He fired the only person in that office that knew ANYTHING....now you call there and have to "leave a message and they'll get back to you" well when you leave a message, and they do FINALLY get back to you (if you're lucky) the person calling doesn't have a clue to what is going on there.....Michael really needs to realize who he works for...its not USFA, it's not USOC....it is US...the people who fence, the parents of those who fence, those of us who actually make up the sport of fencing....and well, if it was up to me....he'd have been fired a long time ago! *tossing my 2 pennies into the pot*
(9/4/00 8:07 PM PST) ELECTRIC FENCING rules
ELECTRIC FENCING RULES!
(9/4/00 2:58 PM PST) SCA CF/HF -
SCA - Society for Creative Anachronism www.sca.org (considered a joke by every other fencing group in the world)
CF - Classical Fencing (foil, epee, sabre, dry with tradtional grips, bouts are fought to 1 or 3 points, acting as if the blades were sharp so no flicks or charging)
HF - Historical Fencing (Rapier,smallsword, all manner of Med. weapons. Bouts to first 'good kill')
The SCA has chapters just about everywhere and there's a bunch of places that do CF/HF nowdays. The one everyone recommends is www.martinez-destreza.com. Some of his students post here.
(9/3/00 1:02 AM PST) Electric Fencing
If it ain't electric, it ain't real Fencing.
k.m.
(9/3/00 1:02 AM PST) Electric Fencing
If it ain't electric, it ain't real Fencing.
k.m.
(9/3/00 12:15 AM PST) What is ? -
Who gives a shit! I don't. If it doesn't buzz or have a light, it doesn not matter.
(9/2/00 9:34 PM PST) What is?
What is SCA, what is CF/HF?
(8/31/00 1:08 PM PST) rec.sport.fencing -
Yeah. I went to some of your sites and you do spend almost as much time screaming at each other as you do at us or the SCA. I guess that there isn't a CF/HF version of the FIE or the USFA. Are there any plans for this?
(8/31/00 12:42 PM PST) rec.sport.fencing -
Sorry, we've be busy cannibalizing ourselves recently. When the different CF/HF groups are finished bashing each other and the winners are picking the remains from their teeth with the bones of the losers, I’m sure we’ll be back. At any rate, I suspect that you have more to talk about in an Olympic year than CF/HF.
Christopher J Umbs cumbs@juno.com
(8/31/00 12:21 PM PST) K.Moser -
I don't know a lot about him, but he did help sew up the web in terms of fencing info. He also gave the CF/HF people somewere to talk without clogging up rec.sport.fencing (I almost miss them. It's been boring without the constant fights and I did learn some interesting history).
(8/31/00 8:10 AM PST) Ok.... so -
I still ask, care to elaborate? Why both? Why either?Come now, don't be shy.
Christopher J Umbs cumbs@juno.com
(1/1/04 2:17 AM PST) K.Moser sucks
K.Moser Rules/Sucks
(8/28/00 11:03 PM PST) Oh Man ,this boring shit spells the end here!
Come on you lame'os! You have got to come up with wittier shit than this to keep this place smelling nice and FRESH!?
(8/23/00 1:00 PM PST) Hmmm -
I wouldn't give up the day job quite yet.
Christopher J Umbs cumbs@juno.com
(8/23/00 12:50 PM PST) Poetry rules
Forgive me, but after reading all these posts I feel moved to make my first online attempt at poetryOh, you can be a fencer of any given type
So don’t you give a listen to all that awful hypeTo fence SF is mighty nice
A modern bloke, a Sporty SpiceOr CF may be more your speed
Where it doesn’t count unless you bleedPerhaps HF is where its at
Smacking folks with baseball batsYes fencing makes for a fun time
But you’ll never ever make a dimeEdward
(8/22/00 5:24 AM PST) ps rules
The FMA thing sounds cool. Good luck
(8/22/00 5:23 AM PST) Fuck you! sucks
Because I asked him, that's why you maggot. Sheesh, you got nothing better to do than gripe?
(8/21/00 6:44 PM PST) your results sucks
ok umbs, you really need to stop posting your club results here cause no one gives two shits
(8/21/00 1:46 PM PST) Insanity rules
Well it seems that I’ve finally stepped over the thin line of sanity :-)I’ll be competing in Bakbakan International’s ‘Gathering of Warriors’ on 9/16/00. This is a FMA (Filipino Martial Arts) weapon tournament, but I’ll be entering as a Western stylist. I’ll be entering the knife fighting (Italo-Spanish style for me) and the Espada y Daga (Sword and dagger – Again, I’ll be using an Italo-Spanish blend). This promises to be a great deal of fun.
Chris
http://www.bakbakan.com/gather2k.htm
Christopher J Umbs cumbs@juno.com
(8/21/00 10:20 AM PST) Cool rules
Thanks for the answers. I don't think it's for me but it does sound cool. I checked out a few of those websites and it really does look much more real than the stuff I've seen the local SCA fencers in my area do.
(8/21/00 9:52 AM PST) HF Tournaments
WMA ’99
There was no official tournament, but all there agree that Christian Darce (HACA-Huston) carried the day in open fencing. He beat me at least twice before I stopped doing rapier to do some foil that day.AHF Raiper ’00
1st: Me
2nd: Matt Hauser (HACA-Huston)
3rd: Christian Darce
4th: Mark Rector (Chicago Swordplay Guild)CSG Silver Cup tourney
Rapier: 1st place - Troy Herring of Alexandria, Virginia; 2nd place - Mark Rector, CSG
Longsword: 1st place - Troy Herring; 2nd place - Greg Mele, CSG
Sword and Buckler: 1st place - Brian Wright, CSG; 2nd place - Chris Plecha of Detroit, Michigan
Mixed Weapons: 1st Place - Greg Mele, CSG; 2nd place - Brian Wright, CSG
(I did not enter)AHF Smallsword ’00
Academic Tourney 1st: Me, 2nd: Kim Moser, 3rd: Ken Mondschein (Martinez Academy)
Combative Tourney: 1st: Me, 2nd: Michael Su (Martinez Academy), 3rd: Peter (Don’t have last name – Markland)
Christopher J Umbs cumbs@juno.com
(8/21/00 9:51 AM PST) CF Tournaments
OK, let me just restate that these tournament victories don’t mean as much as tournament victories mean in SF. Most of us, like many martial artists, are more interested in the training than the results – but these do give us a good chance to ‘clear the air’ between us every now and then and to put something on the line.
AHF Foil Open
1st: David Achelleus (St. Louis)
2nd: MyselfSt Louis Foil Open
1st: Kim Moser (Martinez Academy)
2nd: David Achelleus
(I did not enter)
Christopher J Umbs cumbs@juno.com
(8/21/00 8:09 AM PST) what does it mean - -
SCA = Society for Creative Anachronismwww.sca.org
(8/21/00 8:07 AM PST) OK so -
Who won these tournaments? Does winning one tournament give you any seeding for any others?
(8/21/00 7:52 AM PST) CF/HF Standings -
Obviously, it's not as cut and dried as SF standings :-) For one thing, a lot of CF and HF people don't enter tournaments - the same way a lot of so called 'pure' Asian martial artists won't deign to enter them. The merits of that method can be argued either way. There also had not been all that many tournaments till last year. In terms of CF I think both the AHF and the St Louis Classical Fencing Society each had foil tournaments recently. In terms of HF you'd have to look at the winners of WMA '99, the AHF rapier tourney, the CSG Silver Cup tourney, and the AHF smallsword tourney. I'm sure there have been a few others, but those leap to mind. WMA 2000 is set for October in Toronto and will be one of the best places to see many of the top HF people.
Christopher J Umbs cumbs@juno.com
(8/21/00 7:49 AM PST) Why would anyone -
*L* I adore the Mel Brooks movie. Professional bullshitter - naah - I'm not that good yet. Amateur bullshitter maybe. Give me time and I'll bullshit with the best of them <G> By the way intellectual history is not philosphy but the two can't help but meet.
HW
(8/21/00 7:35 AM PST) SO who's the best? -
For sport fencers, it's easy to tell who's the best. All we need to do is check the standings. Who are the best CF and HF fencers? I guess after reading the last dozen or so posts, I won't ask who the best SCA fencer is since it doesn't seem to be held highly.
(8/21/00 5:30 AM PST) Rules 2
Since Armand (C. Umbs) hasn't been suspended, I'd say that only a few people have problems with him. I've never had the pleasure of fencing him, but his local rep around here is that he's really quick with incredible reach. I've never heard of him hitting too hard and it's hard to credit someone who won't leave his name because he's too scared of retaliation. Get real. I doubt anyone is going to track you down or anything. However, going around defaming his name in cyberspace may be enough to have an SCA court of honor called on you and then who won't be able to fence?Valaric
(8/21/00 5:29 AM PST) Rules 1 -
>>Can't you SCA types limit your tournaments to members if this is such a problem? <<Not really. At one point we had a 'pay for play' rule where you had to be a member in order to fence or fight, but that proved so unpopular that it was dropped. It's estimated that around 2/3rds of the combatants in the SCA aren't paid members. As long as someone can pass an authorization bout, and doesn't get suspended by the marshallate, they can fence.
Valaric
(8/20/00 7:16 AM PST) RE: SCA sucks -
My choice of classical fencing was not only motivated by getting beat but what I saw him doing, it made sense.The moves looked right and they worked!
cb
(8/20/00 7:15 AM PST) RE: SCA sucks -
:Your fencing also shows a marked lack of information, as you have not improved in the slightest over the last six years or so
:
Ouch!
I would just like to say that when I was active in the SCA I was pretty good, I usually landed the point on my opponents more often than they landed them on me. When Mr. C Umbs started to actually *pay* for lessons from maestro martinez he beat my ass on a 99% basis. I could not hit the damn boy! So I decided that I was tired of getting my ass beat by him so I started to go to the same lessons as he did, and now... if I am having a very good day and he is having a so-so day I can almost go 50-50... I reapeat, almost :). The ass whooping is what prompted me to start taking lessons with his teacher. I thought I had reached the pinnacle of fencing in the SCA since I was able to beat most people but when I fought chris he would just beat me, whereas I used to beat him consistently.
cb
(8/19/00 12:57 PM PST) previous sucky post sucks
Butnoids like you have absolutely no sense of humor. Just what did you expect from a site called "fencing sucks"? I for one come here to vent freely because it is just so therapeudic. Plus I am normally quite a butnoid myself and I find it quite refreshing to be such a shithead, anonimously of course.
(8/19/00 9:23 AM PST) olympic sites
when checking out olympic fencing results, go to a real web site, not this sucks site which degrades and demeans everyting about fencing. get a life !
(8/18/00 7:13 PM PST) SCA sucks
I have never realized that MARITAL skills were secondary to courtesy/chivalry in the SCA. What a pity for those trying to get laid. Is it sexual frustration that has driven you to a personal attack on a man you scarcely know? Your statements are, to say the least, uninformed. Your fencing also shows a marked lack of information, as you have not improved in the slightest over the last six years or so. I know who you are, even if Chris doesn't, so you can still worry about sights between your shoulder blades.
(8/18/00 5:00 PM PST) why would anyone -
want to fence in the SCA that doesnt believe in their concepts. Can't you SCA types limit your tournaments to members if this is such a problem? HW, when i heard what you do all i could think of was history of the world part 1 by mel brooks. "occupation? Philosopher. Ok so your a professional bullshitter." I dont mean any disrespect. I just see that seen in my head and it makes me laugh
(8/18/00 4:44 PM PST) what does it mean -
what does sca mean
(8/18/00 3:11 PM PST) What about Freewind? -
I understand he use to hit hard in the SCA? But maybe heavy weapon SCA dont complain like light weapons ones do. All the venders sell full chest protectors and padding can be added to those who are slow in their defence. Fencers get hit hard all the time and we don't wear half the clothing you guys are required to. It doesnt hurt THAT bad.
(8/18/00 2:47 PM PST) Virtues rule -
By the way. You said I do not live with honor and virtue. May I humbly ask how you now that? Do you have any idea who I am and how I live? Try not to make personal attacks when you have no idea what or who you are talking about. We are debating fencing here not personal integrity. I would certainly not bother arguing my personal integrity with a person I do not know.
HW
(8/18/00 2:38 PM PST) SCA part 2 -
There are not many venues for fencers and so you explore all you can. And as I mentioned before, there are some SCA fencers that are good and the HF fencers look forward to facing a good fencer that is not from their salle. These posts trashing Chris and Hfencers just sound like little boys who don't want to play anymore because they don'tget their own way. How mcuh smarter it wouldbe to leanr from the good HF fencers who come - explore why you get beaten and become better fencers. Does becoming better fencers mean you won't have fun? Only if knowledge frightens you.
HW
(8/18/00 2:37 PM PST) SCA part 1 -
HW here. I think I understand your concepts a little better than you thing. I am a medieval historian from Columbia university and specialize in intellectual history and military history. The majority of historical fencers I have the honor to play with are very honorable and a great deal of fun. I think perhaps it is you who have lost touch here. I do not misunderstand. I have known the SCA since I was a paid Shakespearean actress in Calif. It has its virtues and I have never put the society down. It is your lack of knowledgeof HF that annoys me. The HF fencers who go to SCA events go because they love to fence. It isnot their fault that you do not fence up to their level.
HW
(8/18/00 2:24 PM PST) SCA Rules I&II
HW,You are misunderstanding what we are talking about. We know what we do isn't 'real fencing' as you call it and we are OK with that. What we are not OK with is historical fencers who have their own groups and tournaments to play with coming to SCA tournaments and, basically, just ruining the day. Let's be real here. Do you really think Chris or any of the other historical fencers come by for the joy of fencing? They come here to take heads and then brag to each other about what lousy fencers we are. Now that is having no life. In the SCA the marital skills are secondary to odd little concepts like honor and chivalry. Some of you historical fencers may have even read about them in one of your books. Too bad you don't seem to want to live those virtues. So go ahead and win a few more tournaments. Maybe you'll get bored with them and go decide to bother some other group.
(8/18/00 2:15 PM PST) Know it alls sucks
Maybe we poor pathetic SCA fencers could do a little better in the wise eyes of the historical fencers if they were a little more specific in their complaints. Going around shouting "No, that's wrong!" isn't what I'd call constructive criticism.Valaric
(8/18/00 1:52 PM PST) SCA Rules I and II sucks
I take great offense at "historical fencers" being classified as SCA fencers who cannot control themselves. For goodness sakes man, get a hold of yourself! I know these emails can get out of hand but let's be real here. Face it, most (by no means all) SCA fencers DO NOT fence. I don't think they would recognize a parry if it bit them in the butt. Yes, they run into the blade all the time! It is amazing to watch. I have chosen not to play with the SCA at this time because I play much to accurately and don't quite know what to do with a lunatic running at me throwing themselves on my blade. Give me time. I'll figure it out and then perhaps you will have another historical fencer to lash out at <G>. In the mean time, stop sounding like little pouting boys. Instead study real fencing then maybe you can beat Chris and won't feel the need to try to beat him verbally.
HW
(8/18/00 1:46 PM PST) foil??? -
:Dude, you got in trouble with the SCA for hitting somebody too hard with a foil? That is so lame.Ain't it though? :)
(8/18/00 1:38 PM PST) SCA rules -
:I know he has ‘honor’ to the point that he won’t ignore a good shot if you land one on him, but he does seem to put victory over the safety of his opponent and you can’t deny that.Yes I can. He has never put the safety of his opponent beneath his desire to win. He is just no longer willing to listen to then whine when they get hit harder than they want to be hit.
(8/18/00 1:34 PM PST) SCA rules -
:So maybe acting like a complete psycho-bastard is the way a period duelist would act, but that doesn’t mean that we have to encourage such behavior.I agree 100% but saying that just because someone hit's harder than you think they should does not make them a "psycho bastard". I am sure that you have seen more than your fair share of psycho's in the SCA but I doubt that most people would call chris a psycho. Again, this is my opinion and you can take it for what it's worth... 0 :)
cb
(8/18/00 1:26 PM PST) SCA rules -
:Yes, a double-lunge with doublewide or schlager blades will hurt. That’s why we train our fencers to break at the wrist when they hit.I have to disagree with you on that point, if you break your wrist when you hit you run the risk of literally breaking your wrist when the other fencer decides to come into close quaters. I have had this happen and man did my wrist hurt after that one. I will stick to keeping a firm grip om my blade.
cb
(8/18/00 1:25 PM PST) Foil??? -
Dude, you got in trouble with the SCA for hitting somebody too hard with a foil? That is so lame. Maybe I should enter an SCA tournament. I'm sure they would love my sabre fencing if I use one of the new blades.
(8/18/00 1:21 PM PST) SCA Rules -
Yeah, so you know who I am. Doesn't bother me. No I was not in troouble a few times. Yes I was put on "probation" for hitting too hard, and that was with a foil! You couldn't hit me hard enough with the point of a foil for me to complain about it but that is just me. I realize most fencers in the SCA don't like to be hit and if they are hit even slightly harder than they think it should be then they tell you and usually the other fencer tries to comply with their request. If someone would teach how to parry a lot of hits wouldn't hurt... or land for that matter.
cb
(8/18/00 12:57 PM PST) bear baiting? -
Too strange. Can we get back to talking about real fencing now?
(8/18/00 12:52 PM PST) SCA II rules
You were in the SCA long enough to know that we re-create history as it should have been, not as it was. So maybe acting like a complete psycho-bastard is the way a period duelist would act, but that doesn’t mean that we have to encourage such behavior. We don’t recreate bear baiting and the inquisition either.Even if you accept his pathetic attempts to justify a hard thrust, you can’t just say the opponent jumped on the blade when Chris has hurt him with one of those full cuts. That is just vindictive and, yes, cruel. Maybe he thinks he needs to act like that to win, but that’s sad since I know he’s good enough to win cleanly. Obviously he just doesn’t care. I know he has ‘honor’ to the point that he won’t ignore a good shot if you land one on him, but he does seem to put victory over the safety of his opponent and you can’t deny that.
(8/18/00 12:52 PM PST) SCA rules
CB, it’s not too difficult to guess who you are so I can’t say that I’m surprised by your attitude. IIRC, you were in trouble a few times in the SCA for hitting too hard as well. Is this the new thing? Any SCA fencer who can’t control themselves enough to play in our rules just declares himself a historical fencer and he no longer has to worry about those pesky rules and safety regulations? Yes, a double-lunge with doublewide or schlager blades will hurt. That’s why we train our fencers to break at the wrist when they hit. Chris has gone on record (rapier net) as saying that he doesn’t believe in breaking at the wrist and that it’s the defender’s fault every time a hard hit happens. If that’s the proper historical attitude, you can keep it. (cont)
(8/18/00 12:43 PM PST) sca -
i think SCA fencers play swordfight, which is cool if that's what you want to do. And as long as you realize that's what you do. And I agre with the previous poster about the chicks.
(8/18/00 12:30 PM PST) Onkown poster -
Sorry I had to break up thos eposts but it will only allow me 1000 characters now.
(8/18/00 12:29 PM PST) Onkown poster -
If you don't want to get hurt don't come into the list! SCA fencers have this fear of getting hit, well too bad. If you are fighting someone with a 40 inch double wide epee and you both lunge on each others blades someone is probably going to get hit pretty hard. It happens. I know I have been hit pretty damn hard with a schlager and I only complained about it once to the person because he kept doing the same move after I asked him to stop after hurting me. Other than that one instance I have never complained about a bard hit because I know that it happens. Most people aren't out to kill me and I believe nither is chris. If the people in the SCA would take the time to actually read *ANY* books from the classic masters and teach what they taught (or any variation therein) there would be far fewer people complaining about how the SCA fencers fence.
(8/18/00 12:29 PM PST) unkown poster -
At the end of the night, we are all drinking and having a good time.
:Obviously you haven't seen the boy drink!Maybe listening to a bard or watching the dancers while you’ve grabbed your prize and gone home.
:Considering what the dancers usually look like in the SCA... I'll take my prize and go thank you. Before I get flamed I mean
(8/18/00 12:28 PM PST) unkown poster -
I can almost understand the electric fencers since they have the Olympics to strive for, but the only thing that you can get out of CF or HF is the same thing you get from SCA, the respect of your peers.
:We also get the knowledge that we are executing the moves properly unlike 99.9% of SCA fencers who like to use the blade as a fan instead of parrying... but I digress.
:And while you may be respected for your blade skills, many of us are happier knowing that we are respected due to our good manners and our senses of honor.
:So you are saying that he doesn't have a sense of humor nor does he have honor? A bold statement, can you back this up with any concrete proof or are you just venting?
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(8/18/00 12:28 PM PST) unknown poster -
Previous Post:
In 10 years I do hope to be what I’m still doing what I’m doing, having fun and teaching people who are just out to have fun and don’t see the need to spend thousands of dollars a year for rapier lessons.
:Well, for those of us who do go to the next level the price of learning is worth it. Think about this- How much does it cost for karate/kung fu/tai... <insert martial art here> lessons a month? 50? 80? 100? My experience has been it averages about 80 for one to 3 lessons a week. That starts to add up over the course of time. We are no different than someone who likes karate and are willing to spend the time , effort and money to progress is something we enjoy.
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CB
(8/18/00 11:36 AM PST) Confusion sucks
So, on one hand you are saying that the SCA is not a place for full out historical swordplay, but on the other hand you are saying that Umbs is going around hurting people, which is a serious accusation by the way, so why aren't your officials-marshals?-whatever stopping him if this is against the rules?
(8/18/00 11:24 AM PST) whimps sucks
So if you aren't going to fence Chris, why are you here bitching about him? It's not like any of us sport fencers care if he beheads all of you Highlander wannabees. I don't know about CF or HF, but if it's better than SCA I'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.
(8/18/00 11:03 AM PST) sca sucks
At least SF/CF can take a hit and not whine about it. It is a contact sport for god's sake. If you dont like it, get more padding or get out
(8/18/00 11:02 AM PST) Dueling sucks
I’m not going to get into a duel with Chris (or anyone for that matter). What would it prove? That he can beat me? I’ve known that for years and again so what? Besides it’s useless to get into an affair of honor with someone who has none. As for jumping on to the blade, you don’t have enough control after all those lessons to stop your shot? I suspect you do, but you’d rather get the point than spare you opponent. The reason that we have our calibration level is that it only takes 2 pounds of pressure to penetrate human skin with a sharp blade. We’re fencing, not trying to knock each other out like boxers. What gets me (and others) about you the most is that I’ve never once seen you apologize for a hard hit. I know they happen by accident, but you seem to have them once a bout. And, as per usual, you try to blame other people for their lack of skill rather than take responsibility for your actions.
(8/18/00 10:35 AM PST) Cruelty II
For those of you who have never experianced SCA fencing, they do have the tendency to cry out at the lightest hit (espicially in the SCA ‘East Kingdom’). Any modern epee fencer would be called a thug since the maximum allowable force is ‘what would put a 2” bend in a #5 foil’. Any hit harder than that is no good… so keep that in mind when people are refering to my so called crueltyChris
(yes, AKA SCA - Armand de la Poor)
Christopher J Umbs cumbs@juno.com
(8/18/00 10:33 AM PST) My so called cruelty sucks
I suppose I could answer all of this, but it’s not worth my effort. Like Silver said “for it is foolishness and endless trouble to cast a stone at every dog that barks at you.”However, I think I will have to answer the insinuation that I deliberately hurt my opponents. I have NEVER taken a swing in anger at anyone while we were engaged in a fencing bout, no matter what style of fencing. What happened with Griffith is what happens with far too many SCA fencers, they jump on the blade. What made Griffith fall to the ground, however, was the fact that it was outside, cold, and his leg muscle tightened up. All the marshals/officials there agreed that it was not due to any malicious act on my part. If you’ve got a problem with that – talk to the marshals (I think Ailis was marshaling that one).
Chris
Christopher J Umbs cumbs@juno.com
(8/18/00 10:21 AM PST) Armand rules
I didn't realize that Umbs was Armand in the SCA. I hope you got a will made out. Like you said, he's got a history of leaving people on the ground, even people he likes. I had a bruise from one of his heavy blades which the bastard used on a full cut, not like one of our SCA draw cuts. I swear he didn't even blink as I went down.Good fencer though
(8/18/00 10:17 AM PST) christpher umbs rules
Quick chris, quote him one of those arcane passages of yours and get him groggy. Then it'll be easy pickin's. JK :)
(8/18/00 10:11 AM PST) crippling rules
Ooooooh! Let the battle begin! And I thought non-sport fencers weren't good for anything, but this is starting to get amusing. Chris, you going to stand for this?Everyone: Maybe if we push them enough, we can get a good duel going
(8/18/00 9:55 AM PST) Umbs/Armand sucks
In 10 years I do hope to be what I’m still doing what I’m doing, having fun and teaching people who are just out to have fun and don’t see the need to spend thousands of dollars a year for rapier lessons. I can almost understand the electric fencers since they have the Olympics to strive for, but the only thing that you can get out of CF or HF is the same thing you get from SCA, the respect of your peers. And while you may be respected for your blade skills, many of us are happier knowing that we are respected due to our good manners and our senses of honor. At the end of the night, we are all drinking and having a good time. Maybe listening to a bard or watching the dancers while you’ve grabbed your prize and gone home.As for not signing my name, no thanks. I saw what you did to Griffith at Mudthaw (that narrow it down enough for you?) and have no wish to get ‘accidentally’ crippled just because you are feeling overly competitive.
(8/18/00 9:16 AM PST) Initials sucks
The chart there’s a few of the odder groups where I don’t know the full nameHF
AEMMA – Academy of European Medieval Martial Arts (Toronto based)
CSG – Chicago Swordplay GuildRe-creation and Fantasy
FALO – Fantasy and Legends Organization (?)
MSR – Medieval Society Recreated (?)
NERO – New England Role-playing Organization (?)There’s some other strange ones out there as well like Dragohir and others I think. Like I said before… I guess as long as people are having fun…
Chris
Christopher J Umbs cumbs@juno.com
(8/18/00 9:10 AM PST) Unsigned posts sucks
In 10 years? I hope to have my Masters in classical and historical fencing and my own school. What will you have in 10 years? Either you’ll just have memories or you will still be doing the same thing and, as long as you are having fun, I don’t care – please have a blast, but too many SCA fencers still think what they do is historical or martial and it is neither. And yes, I do understand that the SCA is about more than fencing, just like fencing is about more than the SCA. The question is, which is more important to you. The answer for me has always been fencing. I was never a Scadian who happened to fence, I was a fencer who happened to fence in SCA tournaments, but you already seem to know that.Chris
(8/18/00 9:06 AM PST) christpher umbs rules
Chris likes slumming with us! What are all those other acronyms listed before standing for exactly? With the exception of HACA, I haven't heard of any of them.
(8/18/00 8:41 AM PST) ps sucks
Chris, I'm suprised to see you here. I though you were better than this.
(8/18/00 8:40 AM PST) SCA & Fun rules
SCA is more than just a place to go fencing, something Chris Umbs never understood in the 10 years he spent with us. You’re a good rapier fencer, Chris, and better than just about any of us but so what? What is that going to get you in 10 years? SCA fencing may not be as intense or as competitive as other forms of fencing, but it is something that the rest of you have forgotten – fun! You all remember fun right? We actually have more of a life than most of you since we only have to practice once a week or so and keep our tournaments really low key, friendly and fun. I went to go see some electric fencing recently and I was just disgusted with how rude the fencers were being to each other. Kind of like this place here. We may not try to knock each others heads off or run each other through at high speeds, but we are still teaching people who would never have been welcome or lasted in modern or historical fencing.
(8/18/00 8:20 AM PST) MSR rules
Or, more accurately, they don’t suck any more than the SCA does. If you are a sf/cf/hf fencer, you won’t be able to tell the difference between SCA and MSR.Otherwise I’d have to agree with your chart there…
Chris
Christopher J Umbs cumbs@juno.com
(8/18/00 8:06 AM PST) sca sucks
But they don't suck the worst nor are they the only place you fall to if you can't really fence.If you can't fence sf/cf/hf - you do sca
If you can't do sca you do MSR
If you can't do MSR you do Markland, FALO or NEROJust when you think things can't get any worse these 'fencers' prove you wrong. True HF schools like HACA, AEMMA, Martinez Academy or CSG would cut them to ribbons and often do whenever some sca type is dumb enough to challenge one of them or when one of them decides to go slumming at some sca event.
Sabre Bill
(8/18/00 7:56 AM PST) sca sucks
but they sure do dress perty
(8/18/00 7:47 AM PST) HF rules
I've got nothing against SF, I got friends who do it, but there is nothing quite like the knockback one gets from getting a rapier in the face and you're right, the SCA doesn't count... buch of whimps - cant sport fence and cant historically fence - sorta like the reject pool where you fall into if you cant make it anywhere else.
(8/18/00 6:54 AM PST) Last post sucks
Fencers do have lives, thank you. Hell I'd even say that all fencers sf/cf/hf have lives. Of course SCA fencers don't, but that's different
(8/14/00 5:19 AM PST) Last post sucks
This, coming from a fencer?
(8/13/00 1:15 AM PST) renfair really sucks
YOU PEOPLE SERIOUSLY NEED TO GET A LIFE.
(8/12/00 10:11 PM PST) renfairing rules rules
A few years back me and a few of our sportie fencers showed up at a ren fair and did some fencing. Just a mask and nothing more thana loose piraty shirt on. We really wowed the crowd. We actually moved fast, not like the other guys. It was a blast . Of course we noticed all the holes in our shirts afterwards and we definetly did bleed. But a few local tarts took good care of us afterwards. My they have good tounges!
(8/12/00 2:57 AM PST) Renfairies rules
I have to admit, I love to go to those things. I'm in costume so I get in either at a discount or for free. I go up to the Fencing camps there and pretend I'm trying it out at the first time, and then moeing their asses down.It's unfair and evil, I admit, but it's fun for me!
(8/11/00 6:57 AM PST) Renfairies sucks
Does anyone know when and where the renfair in Northern California goes on. I got a hankerin for overpriced crap and cheap tarts.
(8/10/00 1:19 PM PST) Ren Fair sucks and rules
Yes, it’s well known that I can’t watch bad stage fencing without making snide comments. I understand the need for it, but it always assumes that real HF can’t be just as visually stunning as a staged fight. I think they underestimate the audience. I’ve seen people at fairs who have never even picked up a blade watching stage combat and saying things like ‘why is he attacking the guy’s blade instead of him?’ or ‘why didn’t he just kill him there?’So, you’re an actor? Again, more power to you. It seems like you get far more grief from fair management than we do (merchants – yes, we sell fights – for those who have never been on the circuit. I used to pay a booth fee at the start of a fair and then sell fights. Either patron against patron or patron against one of us) and I know you don’t get paid as well. Especially if you did stage work at NJRK where all of the actors are volunteers – now THAT is insane.
Chris
(8/10/00 12:46 PM PST) Supply houses sucks
I for one am glad that the different stores are selling to SCA and CF/HF. Now we can all be screwed by them. Does that make it an orgy? And the electronics don't matter much. We could be fencing with wooden clubs and FL would still sell their special club for a ton of cash. Of course being a FL club it would then break after its first use.
(8/10/00 12:33 PM PST) Peace love and understanding sucks
Can I throw up now? Screw this all for one crap, take the top fencers from each group and throw them in a room together. Whoever comes out gets to be king or whatever you flamers like.
(8/10/00 12:21 PM PST) Crap sucks
You mean that we started it first this time. We've all been pissed off by SCA and CF people before and I'm sure we've pissed them off as well. I agree with Chris, can't we just call a truce for god sakes and go track down that idiot of a football player? We all like to fence, we are all strange enough to fence. We (SF) may think the other groups are out of their skulls and some of their fencers maybe but we got some freaks as well and the public couldn't care less about any of us.I'm sorry, but I just never got this arguement. We do our different things and that's it. No fuss no bother. Like Chris pointed out though, we do have some common interests like making sure supply houses don't rip us all off.
(8/10/00 12:04 PM PST) Faire rules
Chris, I'll write you but I mostly do stage combat/ Acting so no need of mask. Please forgive me since I know what you think of most faire level stage combat, but not all of us can afford to take lessons with you Maestro.As for the rest, I know. You are right, but let me sink to the level of conversation here when I say "They started it!"
(8/10/00 11:57 AM PST) Part II Who are you? rules
When you say you fence at fairs, do you mean you enter prize fights (patron), run a fencing booth (merchant), or do stage combat (actor)?Chris
(8/10/00 11:55 AM PST) Ummm who are you? rules
Since you seem to know so much about me? (If you don’t wish to post here, mail me at cumbs@juno.com)I appreciate the kind words, but you’re being just a tad harsh on our sporting brethren. If they go out of business, I don’t think there is enough of us to keep places like Santelli’s or TCA open and then we’ll ALL be out of luck. You may not like their electronics, but I bet you’re not sitting at home making your own mask (If you are, more power to you). While I’m not part of the group that feels there is only ‘one fencing’, I do wish all branches of fencing well.
You do make a good point though when you talk about the number of SF salles teaching CF all of the sudden – odd when you consider how they’ve been telling us for years that there was no such thing as CF. I’m curious what these salles mean by CF. It’s more than simply fencing dry with traditional grips. If you don’t adopt the CF mindset instead of the SF one, you’ll never get the essence of the art.
Chris
(8/10/00 11:31 AM PST) You idiot sucks
First off, post on the same thread. Don't make me go looking for you.Secondly, I'm not one of those classical people though I've got nothing against them. I fence at ren fairs and, though I don't make as much money as Chris did at NJRK it buys beer for the week.
As for sticking your head up your ass, at least we don't have to pay the USFA for the privlige of doing it. And I see a lot of sporty clubs claiming to teach classical now, so I guess you folks are starting to get worried. You should. The post from the football player is a perfect example of how much respect you get or deserve.
(8/10/00 9:18 AM PST) more classical bitching sucks
You know jack shit ,we piss AFTER a big event. I love all our little techno toys. What I hate are those pussy classical whiners who have their head so far up the ass and have the nerve to try and tell you how lovely the view is.
(8/4/00 12:54 PM PST) you definetly sucks
no we did not...
(8/3/00 12:59 PM PST) i am back rules
Did you miss me? love Robert
(8/2/00 6:39 AM PST) USFA Home office sucks
Because there are only three...oops...forget beth, two people working in it. One of them is an ice queen strait from valhalla, the other is trapped under her bitter vile thumb.
(8/1/00 4:13 PM PST) Politics sucks
As a Fencer, I only want to fight on the strip. It's the fighting that happen off the strip that truly, madly and deeply sucks ass.
(7/31/00 4:31 PM PST) USFA for firing Beth!!!! sucks
I'm so bummed that they fired her. She was always nice and helpful, unlike most of the people in that organization. I guess she was simply too good of an employee for them so they had to let her go. Damned USFA....
(7/30/00 10:41 PM PST) Oops, this went on the official section. Guess I sucks
Whoops, forgot something else. The target area's being reduced slightly. The back of the hand will no longer be valid. Overgloves will still be required (can't stuff the cuff up the sleeve), but lame matertial will not cover teh back of the hand.Someone one the newsgroup said the new blades woudl be required at all sanctioned events after August 2001, but I don't know if that's accurate. After all, FIE blades aren't required at sanctioned events now, up tp a certain level.
Sam Signorelli
(7/27/00 10:00 PM PST) Beth gone? sucks
Oh man...that DOES suck. I was always able to get questions answered when I called, and I'm just a regular member. I won't be a divisional officer until this weekend, so all of my calls were not official division business. Damn. Now I'll have to get used to someone else.Any idea who's replacing her?
Sam Signorelli
(7/27/00 8:25 PM PST) UFSA sucks
Because Beth Lee, USFA head office receptionist, was fired today. She always did whatever she was ALLOWED to do, to help fencers, parents and clubs. This sucks.
(7/26/00 8:24 AM PST) Captain A sucks
Mine is bigger than yours!Max
(7/25/00 8:30 AM PST) you sucks
Smooches and Hugs-R.
(7/24/00 8:51 PM PST) smart rules
Hey Smart, this dude robert inadvertently has just proved your point. Claiming he has used a alias all along to confuss everyone.Guess that was BS about having the balls to post his real name with his flame then.Weak, man, weak.
(7/24/00 1:48 PM PST) Sounds good- rules
So what's that URL for the Bestiality site?
(7/24/00 10:52 AM PST) people wtih no sense of humor sucks
If you find anything at FencingSucks.com offensive, we cheerfully note that among the four million other sites on the Web you may find something that better suits you. Or you might try the many sites dedicated to bestiality or Hitler worship in order to recalibrate your sense of what is offensive. Anyway, go away and don't come back. from the legal section-read it!
(7/24/00 10:46 AM PST) nothing in particular sucks
ooooooooooooooooooooo!
(7/24/00 10:36 AM PST) brave doesnt mean smart sucks
What ever you call your self, your willing to bet your life you are right.Good luck, kid.
(7/24/00 4:51 AM PST) this sucks
this has gotten lame. im outta here. when you guys want to talk fencing again, i may be back-robert
(7/23/00 9:49 PM PST) my previous post sucks
Actually, I DO have something to be afraid of...my typing. Unfortunately, it sometimes imitates my fencing.Argh.
Sam Signorelli
(7/23/00 9:48 PM PST) pissy people in general sucks
And the previous posts generally demonstrate why I don't get into the nasty side of these "discussions," since I don;t put anything up in public that I woudln;t say to someone's face, and I'm not scared to post my real name.I've got nothing to be afraid of.
Sam Signorelli
p.s. Hell, I'll even post the URL for my website.
http://members.tripod.com/Purple_Fencer/Home.htmlp.p.s. For those interested in potentially useful info, please check out the part with the beginner's primer. I'd appreciate any constructive replies.
Sam
(7/23/00 8:20 PM PST) malitia Man sucks
You are so smart! Can I have your bra size with that so I can buy you a gift for your first birthday? Better yet I am sure you need some more diapers and baby powder, if you were so smart you would not need to throw your apperent intelect in peoples faces, the silent kills and the loud only draw attention to them selves until they are destroyed.
As a rather street smart guy writing to you, the web master could easily look up yout IP adress which would lead us to where you have your internent connected to. So your arrogance is apperently falsely routed into that head of yours. so take your head out of your ass and learn to do it right. This is not amature night at the farm for retards.
(7/23/00 6:41 PM PST) most likely sucks
and now most likely someone will say that i am robert Grier and that i am covering my ass. Well, you are wrong. So think again and go look up mark hastings from arizona. Is it me? maybe, maybe not. but at least while you search for an address you will be off the porn sites and that will save you some money. thank me later--Mark-Robert pick a name whatever. you definately suck for going on and on about safety on the net. It sounded like a high school library for a minute. You probably have been on the net for like two weeks and you read what came with your cute little imac to me. now read ahead to the part about encryption, and that nobody uses there name on the net, oh yeah, you already read that since you lectured me. thanks mom! now go screw your husband, he needs it, and get of the posting boards.
(7/23/00 6:21 PM PST) Finally,good fencing in a hollywood film. rules
The just released film " SUNSHINE" starring Ralph Fiennes and shot in Budapest about the creation of a national saber champion who goes on to win the 1936 Olympic Giold and is later murdered by the Nazis has remarkaby accurate and exciting fencing scenes. Only someone intimately familiar with fencing and in particular the contribution of Italo Santelli could have made this film. The picture is long and doesn't get to fencing until the middle but, believe me it's worth the price of admission. It's all there...politics, envy...bad calls...national egos...you know....real fencing!
(7/23/00 5:42 PM PST) you suck sucks
oh yeah, and post my unlisted phone number you idiots. do you think im really robert grier? im suprised there is even a robert grier in atlanta.since i just made the name up! morons
(7/23/00 5:41 PM PST) last post rules
first i didnt post that last post. second you love me so much im not scard. last, the robert griers in atlanta dont even fence, but im glad you wasted your time finding out where they live. idiots-"robert"
(7/23/00 2:17 PM PST) last post sucks
I Try and catch me, I have been trained by your own Government to hide and to never reveal who is who and what I am or what I am doing! You are the stupid one, as far as caring a gun goes, carry more then one in fact and they are always loaded, If you have some intelligence you can run for a long time.
(7/23/00 11:50 AM PST) also to the unwise sucks
More can happen then bodily harm to those who are careless on the net. From minor annoyance like magazine subscriptions, Jehovah witnesses at your door to credit fraud, your accounts wiped out. But getting back to the worse case scenario, who amoung us carries a gun at all times. Police files contain lots of stories on the naive. If this is beginning to spook some,and you want the bad man to stop buggy you, good. It is incredibly easy to track someone, find out credit info, the net has opened alot of doors, some leading to unsavery characters. At 29 you should know better,as a fencer stay on guard!
(7/22/00 12:45 PM PST) Robert sucks
Well Alanta may be big but theres a good chance you live on either Peachtree Dunwoody Rd. or Pineknoll Want me to post your Ph. #?
(7/21/00 4:22 PM PST) also rules
at least i dont shoot my mouth off and not back it up. i coulda said i was cliff bayer if i wanted to, but im man enough to take credit for all the fun delightful comments i make-robert
(7/21/00 4:18 PM PST) me rules
im 29, so bring it on baby, plus atlanta is a big big place. but im not scared. I can shoot and fence. but not both at the same time ha ha-robert
(7/21/00 2:53 PM PST) who ever rules
some people practice sword fighting for defense others practice for fun
and if you dont think fencing isnt going to help you in a dark alley way...
yall certainly wrong there...
anyhow I post my full name but I dont anyone would be able to find my house
-tmcl
(7/21/00 2:27 PM PST) Zizka? rules
Some one new here. What is HACA? I am game to learn some thing new, long as it does'nt hurt me or anyone else. Random
(7/21/00 2:09 PM PST) Zizka sucks
Look you idiot. I already told you to read the HACA site better. Actually, now that I think about it, you probably deserve modern/classical fencing because you're right, they are the same and you are obviously not cut out to do something realistic like HACA.
(7/21/00 2:04 PM PST) Full name? sucks
Didn't anyone tell you it is not wise list your name on the internet? For all you guys know Robert is one of those kid who thinks it's cool to tote sawed off shot guns to school to prove his point and the other guy belongs to NAMBLA or the Jeffrey Donner fan club! Robert, does your mom know you told everyone your full name your home town and just WHERE you can be found on any given night your club is open?> See if your fencing can save your ass, if some weirdo waits for your sweet butt in the parking lot.
(7/21/00 1:52 PM PST) Whatever rules
You know, I didn't think that classical/modern was that big a deal, but it seems like it's all we can talk about lately. If they use the same weapons, how different can it be? Yeah, I know they don't flick, but the flick aint the entire game. Looking around the web I'd say we got lots more in common with them than any SCA or HACA type. One of my friends got the HACA book on rapier - I have no idea if it sucks or not, but the author certainly does.Zizka
(7/21/00 12:35 PM PST) you rules
for admitting youd use it to get a point. But be prepared to duck. here come the CF and HF crowd to hang you-Robert
(7/21/00 12:27 PM PST) something, someone, somewhere rules
oh when I say classical fencing I do not mean Rapiers and such
I am refering to the less used style of fencing less flicking I mean
oh sure I flick now and then but I mainly use point in line thats directly threating
never gonna believe a point thats pointing up towards the
ceiling is a threating move..of course if flicking gets me
a point I sure as hell is going to use a flick..
-tmcl
(7/21/00 12:15 PM PST) something rules
Robert maybe you beat people that fence like its life and death
maybe you dont I dont care...im just having fun getting ppl pissed off online
....and if anyone thinks I am actauly being serious about
dueling him with a frigging bastard sword sheeesh
oh and I do think flicks suck but I dont go around bitching about it
I just do my damnest to beat them that do flick...it is possible to beat a flicker fencing classical foil but lez not get into that-tmcl
oh this is my name...I just dont feel like posting my entire name
(7/21/00 12:04 PM PST) that was a joke, lighten up!!! rules
sorry if you have been offended. I never challenged anyone to a duel. i just said that i have always kicked peoples butts who pretend they are having a real swordfight. because they hesitate and dont take enougy risks
(7/21/00 12:02 PM PST) cool rules
someone brought up the flick....guess that will take the heat off me. i personally want to state i have never beat a true classical fairy. I dont believe in fairys, or trolls, or goblins, or any of that other stuff.everybody was so hot about me not posting my name, well where are all yours? guess i called your bluff. this guy is posting as CF. that really narrows things down doesnt it? I think you should go noiw, Xena is on, and thats the closest youll get to a chick besides that fat cow serving mead at the renfair Robert
(7/21/00 12:00 PM PST) OK Robert rules
Its ok to have an opposing opinion my dear. It is just how you word it that matters. You challenged these people to meet you on the strip, just when and where have you competed? Dont see your name listed in any top eight or even the top bottom? Don't sweat it kid we all learn the same lessons.
(7/21/00 11:50 AM PST) last post sucks
You fucking moron!!! They're talking about how a real blade couldn't flick. So... which classical weenie did you beat? Let's hear some names... otherwise go back to playing electric tag and the rest of your preschool gamesCF
(7/21/00 11:46 AM PST) flicking rules
Because when one of those classical jerks complains about how flicking isn't real and how that sooooooooooo wouldn't penetrate I really let one fly right into the collar bone and watch them cry like little girls...........
(7/21/00 10:57 AM PST) you sucks
Im really hurt...but, really, you shouldnt hate me, i just stated that it is silly to pretend you are fighting a real duel when you sport fence. And these guys just went mental. i was just staing my opinion and it got jumped on, just lie you say i did to you. so get off your high horse- babies
(7/21/00 10:48 AM PST) Robert sucks
So you have decieded to earn some? What do you want your legacy to be? He fenced well, but his social skills sucked. Head stone carvers can spell Narcisistic just as easliy as Beloved.
(7/21/00 10:47 AM PST) you sucks
tmcl,
Since your so bold and beautiful how about you quit hiding and post your name. Seems like someone else is shooting there mouth of now- Robert
(7/21/00 7:22 AM PST) also sucks
Respect is earned-Robert
(7/21/00 5:40 AM PST) that sounds great! rules
since the vast majority of people realize the dueling sword would easily fit between your sections of mail. you would be slow and hurting..........Robert would beet you here, unless you joust or something-gh
(7/20/00 9:30 PM PST) Fencing rules
Well Robert my good sir I suppose I got to break out the old grindstones
and sharpen up my swords...and also find my chainmail to use it
should be an interesting bout eh?
Headline for the newpapers
*Modern Fencer faces off an old fogey wearing chainmail and toting bastard swords*
-Tmcl
p.s
(7/20/00 8:01 PM PST) Dear Robert sucks
You got it wrong> I am not the one you have been down grading till now. How old are you? Do you talk to everyone like this. Respect to others is timeless and remembered far longer then rudeness. I am not sca or reinfaire so that makes another of your assumptions incorrect. You might take a heed of some one like Soran Thompson, good fencer with manners.
(7/20/00 6:27 PM PST) you suck sucks
so now your an expert on the middle ages. was the alot of brag and bluster then? oh, i forgot you still live in them so you would know. anyway, you are so right and i am so apologetic. thank you for showing me the light. lets all have a group hug. i think i am getting misty. as far as fencing me, there are a million mes outthere, take your pick. but if you want me my name is robert grier and i live in atlanta and you will see me soon enough. My lordship of Aquatania or whatever you renfairies are calling yourselves today
(7/20/00 5:33 PM PST) Arrogance sucks
Why does it bother you what others use to mak their fencing work for them. Are you so arrogant to beleive you are the only one with the answers. Yo would fit in really well in the time period you spoke. All brag and bluster.
(7/20/00 5:21 PM PST) person that says you two sucks sucks
*laughs* I find you extremly funny
hell no I dont act like that...no point in it
how bout giving us your name and we'll see next time we meet who will win...anyone can say they rule on-line but what about on the strip?
you should treat everything and I mean everything as if it
was your last day on earth...get alot more out of life
oh I know what I say but that doesnt mean I do what I say...
but its fun irritating the hell out of certain people saying
things like that
-tmcl
(7/20/00 4:34 PM PST) you two sucks
you two are, and you two suck. I suggest you read timeline by crighton. you can pretend its you. oh i pretend im gonna get killed if i get touched. are you frigin stupid? its 15 touches (or five if your lazy) use them all and suck your opponent in. or at least give up fencing, go to etrade and buy some ipos so you have some money to support your stupid kingdom or whatever the hell you guys call your apartment. I eat guys like you on the strip every bout i get against you morons. god get a clue!
(7/17/00 2:28 PM) NBC Site rules
The website with info on NBC's Olympic coverage is http://www.nbcolympics.com/
But I don't think they've posted broadcast times for fencing yet. It's still a couple of months away...
(7/17/00 1:57 PM) the Rules- sucks
Eliminate the need for directors to make the call. Set the box to lock out on all weapons like the Epee'. This will fix a lot of problems. If you can't parry correctly you'll get hit before you can reposte. And if you prepare at all you'll miss getting the touch. The sport of Fencing should be about skill with the blade. Not who can manipulate the director the best. Let your skill be the deciding factor.
(7/17/00 1:18 PM) Olympics rules
I want to watch the Olympic Fencing on TV. Anyone who knows the w's of the broadcasts, of where to find it please post it.
7/15/00 (other) CENSORS
People, people, people! rec.sports.fencing has long existed as a forum for fencing discussion. We highly recommend it. What's different here is the _option_ of anonymity. Yes, some folks have taken the opportunity to be crude, but so it goes.
Feel free to disregard what someone says if their spelling or use of profanity makes you skeptical of their judgment.
On the other hand, the freedom to post without consequence can lead to some interesting revelations that might not come out otherwise. Perhaps these posts will give pause to those who are flamed. Maybe they will improve their attitudes and treatment of others. Maybe they will take the time to re-read the USFA rulebook. Maybe they will become more bitter and annoying. How the heck do we know?
As lovers of the First Amendment (not to mention the Second, so don't mess with us), we remain open to postings of all types. Just tell it like it is.
Salle de Sucent
7/15/00 (other) all you people!!!
come on people! what’s with picking on julie and bethany? they have really been contributing to the fencing community, as both directors and as fencers. i have a lot of respect for them and it saddens me to see you degrade them merely to inflate your own egos. how many times have you seen them directing immediately after they’ve finished fencing!?! why? to help speed things up for YOU. that is the problem with the sport…these petty scores you have with other people. get over them and start working on your fencing for everyone’s sake. besides, why bag on other fencers in the first place? god knows there are few enough of us as it is.
7/15/00 (other) People who are too pathetic...
What the fuck is wrong with some of you people? You go around complaining about people who you probably don't even know. Are your lives THAT boring and pathetic that the only way you can satisfy your perversions and think better of yourselves is to put people down? That is the most pathetic piece of shit that I have ever heard of. You people who blame shit on others, put other people down, and are generally pathetic asses need to take a look at yourselves, instead of others. You disgust me.
-Nadia
7/15/00 (other) Rules
There is too much leeway in the foil and saber rules. Too much personal interpretation by the director. No wonder so many people complain about calls made by the Directors. True directing is a difficult and thankless job. True people who don't do as well as they thought complain about any call that goes against them. But also true Directors totaly blow calls. And I think this is largly due to the fact that the rules are too unclear. And everyone has there own interpretation of them. Lets get the rules refomed so there is less chance of human error effecting the outcome of a bout.
7/15/00 (other) THIS IF FROM LIZ
i don't know who the hell posted that crap about me, bethanie, and julie...why don't you get some balls and post your name. for your information i am completely heterosexual. i don't know if you like piping or eating carpet, but i don't really want to know. please leave us out of your sexual fantasies. and leave us unknowledgeable about your sexual tendencies and fetishes. fuck you, you fucking fuck
CIAO
DITA OUT
7/15/00 (other) YOU
My name is Flavia and I know for a fact that everyone but me sucks! Esp. anyone who has posted personal comments about others. So you can all kiss my ass because you ALL suck.
7/14/00 (other)
penn state and st. jones don't buy or import the fencers ......they buy the refs ,,
7/14/00 (other) everyone but saint john's university
we are going to win ncaa's next year. down with the evil empire known as penn sate!
7/14/00 (other) Reinhold Longenbach
Hey Reinhold...you're a 23 year old virgen, and you mother fights your battles for you, you live at home, plus you're a fat douche bag...peace to you brother....try a prostitute maybe you'll get lucky, oh yeah and you're a cocksucker
7/14/00 (other) In my dreams
Julie and Bethany are still in my dreams and in spit of their intensity, I still love them.
7/14/00 (other) new referee
What really sucks is spending five hours doing epee and then being assigned to a DE foil bout.How about spending the time to take the tests, go to national competitions and really train hard to be a good referee only to sit in your club and watch the bearded geeks who live in their own world of self validation teach right of way.
7/13/00 (other) Lack of Knowledge
Who's Julie? Who's Bethany? Who's Kelly? How can I meet them?
7/13/00 (other) saber in Minnesota
There are so bleeding few of us that you see the same eight or ten people at every tournament. Those of us who are too poor to travel elsewhere for experience always end up getting our asses handed to us on a silver platter...
and there's no hope of getting a rating against the high school kids whose parents are footing the bill for the coaching lessons, the equipment, the travel, and all of that. Man, I'm jealous.
To top that off, there's no consistent officials in the state. I hate being the bush league.
7/12/00 (other) Michigan fencers
They think they know so much and post all the time on the internet. Which only proves they have internet access and a lot of free time. GO PRACTICE ALREADY! GEESH
7/12/00 (other) Canadian fencers
They have cheap ass monopoly money that isn't worth crap. They say Eh? and have socialized healthcare. Really, It's just a matter of time before you become the 51st state of The U.S.
7/10/00 (other) Fencing Quotes
- Oh seeme, the end's dropped off!
- Kevin's killed Beelzebub.
- Do the words 'twat her over the head' mean nothing to you?
- Richard: Forget the sabre - give me a burning log any day.
- Tom seeme'd Bluebeard. 'Nuff said.
- Gavin: Tom takes my thighs, Kevin takes my testicles.
- Arriba, arriba, overlay, overlay!
- Tom: Just stick it out and wave it around.
- I hit him!
- Tom: I'm gonna seeme'ing KILL you!
- Wise words from Tom: Hit 'em and scream loudly.
- He bends it, he does.
- (evil laugh) Ha ha hahaha - that really hurt.
- Tom again: I can't believe he hit my arse.
- If I had Ian McGaskill with me, I'd lend him to you.
- Bec: I'm shagged. And you can quote me on that.
- Kev, fencing outside: The ducks are putting me off!
- Kev: Just kneecap them
- Kev is better wet than bleeding. Though possibly more amusing bleeding than burning.
7/9/00 (other) nothing!
why would I think fencing sucks when I don't fence myself-- but I do think it gives somebody that "oh??" reaction if you tell them "I fence"...so there!
7/9/00 (other) Epeeists
They don't suck but they just think they're gods.
Frum
7/8/00 (other) pushy parents
Having just survived the Summer Nationals and seeing only one day of youth events....come on guys, these are little kids! They don't have to make a national team at 12! Let them have fun for a while!
7/6/00 (other) Fencing Sabre in Summer - That Sucks!
Mask, Lame, Jacket, Plastron, Chest Protector. By the time I'm suited up I look like a silvery Pillsbury Doughboy and feel like I'm in an easy bake oven. Any temp. over 80 degrees and you're dehydrated before you get on the strip!
7/5/00 (other) Fencing
Someone always gets hurt and it is nothin but good training and learning skills and always very fun that is why it sucks.
7/6/00 (other) Lack of Progress
I fenced in my last circuit event in 1995 and as I read these posts I see complaints about the exact same people and places that sucked 5 years ago. So much for progress.